Hi Siavash,

There is no such word as "buracı". I think you meant "burası".

Burası (bura )  means  this place

Burada --> means in this place 

Hi Trip,

As you know in Turkish there are two past tense forms. One is -di´li geçmiş zaman and the other one is miş´li geçmiş zaman.

Check this lesson out --> http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish_lesson_76

Yes it is right. 

the most handsome is who took the picture : En yakışıklısı fotoğrafı çeken. 

Güzel arkadaşlarımla beraberim. 

kinda redundant language  

new Serdar Ortaç  

Merhaba,

Official name of the document you want to take  is "İkametgah İlmuhaberi"

Hmmm actually it works.  Because it doesn´t say you find the apple near of the apple tree, it says apple falls somewhere near of the apple tree.  

Hey,

I checked the dictionary (Türkiye Türkçesindeki Türkçe Sözcüklerin Köken Bilgisi Sözlüğü, Tuncer Gülensoy) and it is written like this;

neye ~ niye ´Bir olayın sebebini ve amacını sormak için kullanılır´

< ne [> i]+y+e

Nişanyan´s dictionary is not the only source actually. It is popular because it is online. I think TDK should work on this online dictionary issue.  If i will have chance to  check my etymology books i will let you now.  

But  now lets check from another point. 

In Turkey Turkish we are in doubt if  it is coming from ne-y-e or ne diye so let´s check some examples from other Turkic dialects, 

In Turkey Turkish        it is  niye    ne+e (dative)  / or /  ne + diye?

In Uzbek Turkish         it is  nega    ne+ga (dative)

In Kazakh Turkish        it is  неге (nege)   ne+ge (dative)

So above we can see one example from  each dialect group ( Oghuz, Qarluq, Kipchaq ). And according to the other dialect examples,  i think it is clear that niye is coming from ne+e. 

Actually both are ok and proper . But i would say Londra´da ailemle yaşıyorum. 

halturklondon i think there is nothing wrong with your sentence. You don´t have to use "birlikte". 

Doğru  

Andsom that dit dit dit i didn´t hear anymore.  

A different story from my side. I sent a bağlama to USA with PTT for an armenian friend. It reached there earlier than i expected. And bağlama was in a good condition. 

Sen niye ingilizce yazdın ki şimdi  

Hoş geldin  

How can i explain?

In Mersin Kerebiç is very famous in Ramazan. 

hayda bre

That´s right. But  when the word doesn´t end with a vowel. 

We know the difference from the meaing of the sentence. And 1st person posssesive suffix mostly use with "benim".  

I know from my colleague that Croations use that word as Hajde ( hayde ) 

Merhaba Jonk,

Dear pew institute  

Is Turkey  in Central Asia ( Türkistan) ??  pewww

Neyin kafasındasınız ya  Alpha savunmayla ilgili bir şey yolluyor, iş dönüp dolaşıp Atatürk´e geliyor. Dam üstünde saksağan vur beline kazmayı. Pietercik sen de bırak bu işleri de, dil öğrenmeye yoğunlaş.

No they are not two different things. It should be written as "bir şey"

Actually the rule for it is really easy. The word "şey" is always written apart from the previous word.

bir şey

her şey

A very interesting article, that can give us a different point of view about this issue. It seems trip´s brain is trying to adapt to the natural order that she use when representing events nonverbally.

Does the language we speak influence the way we think? Scientists have fiercely debated this question for more than a century. A July 1 study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences bolsters the case against language’s influence by showing that people with different native tongues organize events in the same order—even if that order is different from the one dictated by their native grammar.

Psychologist Susan Goldin-Meadow of the University of Chicago asked Chinese, English, Spanish and Turkish speakers to describe activities by using only their hands. Turkish is the only language in the quartet that follows subject, object, verb, or SOV, order (as in woman knob twists ) . The other languages adhere to the pattern subject, verb, object ( woman twists knob ) . When gesturing, however, all participants used the SOV order, regardless of their native language. The same was true in a noncommu­ni­cative task in which volunteers had to put pictures in order.

The results point to the existence of a “natural order” that humans use when representing events nonverbally, the researchers say. Where such a natural order might come from is unknown, but Goldin-Meadow suggests that it may influence developing languages so that they initially use the SOV order—such is the case with a sign language currently emerging in Israel. Languages are sub­ject to other pressures, however, such as the need to be semantically clear and rhetorically interesting. As a language becomes more complex, she explains, these pressures might push it away from the natural SOV order. Today the two dominant orders that were represented in this study are equally frequent and account for roughly 90 percent of the world’s languages.

One of the possible consequences of a language that goes against our pattern of representation may be that the brain has to do additional work when speaking it, Goldin-Meadow says. “It could be that there is a small cognitive cost to speaking English.”

Source : http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=brains-natural-order

maybe a troll?

Divan-ı lügat it Türk diyor ki;

TDK diyor ki ;

Üç yaşına gelen koçun buyruğu geçiyor demek ki

Ama şimdi düşündüm de, bizde er diye bir sözcük de var. Erkek erk yerine erden geliyordur sanırım .

Al sana gibi olmuş   Kişnemeye takıldım ben ama ya, benim bildiğim atlar kişner burda keçileri kişnetmişler. Manda yuva yapmış söğüt dalına, yavrusunu sinek kapmış gibi bir şey mi bu da acaba

Right, i think it comes from the word "erk" which simply means power.

That´s right tunci. Also the ones given below are not arabic origin. These are the ones i  realised when i read, maybe there are more, it was really boring to read them all.

bayat, amca, bebek, beyin, dayı, evlilik, ev, kırbaç, yas ( Turkish)

çorba, kereviz, keşkek, muşta (persian)

It is his/her first and only message so it is normal. And i think he/she has another id in TC.

Ignorance is bliss 

It means you cut your ties with your past

Şiirler aşka getirdi zahir

Shakespeare is always given as an example. In my previous posts, i asked whether or not they understand it, but unfortunately i got no reply. When i search in the net, i saw there are lots of dictionaries in the name of Shakespeare´s works.  

Modern readers of English are generally able to understand texts written in the late phase of the Early Modern English period (e.g. the first edition of the King James Bible and the works of William Shakespeare), while texts from the earlier phase (such as Le Morte d´Arthur) may present more difficulties. (Wikipedia)

It seems they can understand but they have difficulties, so sometimes they need dictionaries so do i  Do we have any dictionary for a particular poet or writer?

Here is a text and we can see the transformation of English here.

Are Shakespeare´s works written in Old English?

Shakespeare´s complex sentence structures and use of now obsolete words lead many students to think they are reading Old or Middle English. In fact, Shakespeare´s works are written in Early Modern English. Once you see a text of Old or Middle English you´ll really appreciate how easy Shakespeare is to understand (well, relatively speaking). Take, for example, this passage from the most famous of all Old English works, Beowulf:

Hwät! we Gâr-Dena in geâr-dagum
þeód-cyninga þrym gefrunon,
hû þâ äðelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scêfing sceaðena þreátum.

(Translation)
Lo! the Spear-Danes´ glory through splendid achievements
The folk-kings´ former fame we have heard of,
How princes displayed then their prowess-in-battle.
Oft Scyld the Scefing from scathers in numbers...

Old English was spoken and written in Britain from the 5th century to the middle of the 11th century and is really closer to the Germanic mother tongue of the Anglo-Saxons.

With the arrival of the French-speaking Normans in 1066, Old English underwent dramatic changes and by 1350 it had evolved into Middle English. Middle English is easier but still looks like a foreign language much of the time. Here is an example from Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales, the most famous work in Middle English:

Ye seken lond and see for your wynnynges,
As wise folk ye knowen all th´estaat
Of regnes; ye been fadres of tydynges
And tales, bothe of pees and of debaat. (The Man of Law´s Tale)

(Translation)
You seek land and sea for your winnings,
As wise folk you know all the estate
Of kingdoms; you be fathers of tidings,
And tales, both of peace and of debate.

By about 1450, Middle English was replaced with Early Modern English, the language of Shakespeare, which is almost identical to contemporary English.

(http://www.shakespeare-online.com/biography/shakespearelanguage.html )

http://shakespeare.about.com/od/teachingshakespeare/a/shakespeare_words.htm

Actually i didn´t want to be a part of this discussion but  I  really don´t understand what you mean here. Could you please explain your point of view? Couldn´t it be used as ademiyân-ı biidrak then? I think Turks also deserved to be called as  kavm-i necib as every nation.

I think we can also use günden güne for day by day. 

Kar günbegün eriyor.

Kar günden güne eriyor.

A girl who plays PES (Pro Evolution Soccer -Playstation) is a must of every household.

I thought it was finished

Is this what you drank? If so, it is Şehriye Çorbası.

Epey eğlenceli. Rektör amcamız Vatan Gazetesi´ndeki resminde, Polat Alemdar gibi çıkmış. Kravat da takmamış. Üşenmiş sanırım. Yaka bağır açık, rahat rahat takılıyorlar Baydaş Çiftliği. 

Aber ich weiß nicht, wie ich das übersetzen soll. Wie würdest du das auf Deutsch wiedergeben?

Nichts zu danken Djuha. J Du kannst sehr gut Türkisch, deswegen werde ich diese Sätze nicht übersetzen.

Hazır dışarı çıkmışken 2 ekmek  alır mısın?  

Hazır vizeler kalkmışken, Rusya´ya gidebilirim.  

Hazır buraya gelmişken, onu da ziyaret etseydin. 

Hazır arabayla gidiyorken, bu sandığı da götür.

Okay here is my university. Çukurova Üniversitesi

I don´t think they wanted to give a meaning as you mentioned.

Here it means taking the advantage of an opportunity.  The kid has fallen asleep, so he won´t bother them, so it is an advantage for them to watch a DVD.

Ah i didn´t know that. I thought people were more inclined to use "he /his" if they are not sure of the sex of a person. Thank you for that information.  

Ah i know that sözlük. I thought you had a different one.

We are really lack of etymological dictionaries.

Abla, where did you find the verb izdemek? It is still in use in Kazak(izdev), Kyrgyz (izdö and Uyghur Turkish(izdimek).

.

Here i agree with Gökuyum.  Okay we use karizmayı çizdirmek but the sentence don´t mention that. What i understand from the sentence is, i don´t have any charisma.

Henry go ahead.

My friends and my teacher remembered my birthday, but my family didn´t. My 12th birthday went badly and i also had a fight with my close friend and she is still mad at me. To those that remembered my birthday.

And we have our own one -- Pepee

2012’ye elveda. ( Elveda 2012.) Baştan bana umut verdin (beni umutlandırdın) ,çok güzel rüya gibi günler yaşadım. 2012 sonunda umutlarımın hepsi bitti. Bütün rüyalardan uyandım.
Aslında her şey bitti.  2012 bitti ve her benim umutlarım eski umutları bitti. O zaman 2012 için kapıyı kapattım.  Giden her şeyi  unuttum.  Bütün güzel ve her kötü şeyleri...
Üzdüğüm her insandan (herkesten) çok özür dilerim. Herkes beni affetsin. Bende herkesi affedeceğim. Yeni yıl, yeni başlangıç, yeni bir sayfa olacak inşallah. Allah‘ım bana mutluluk ver.

Ulak, gerçekten öğrenmek isteyen birine yardımcı olmaktan mutluluk duyarım.

1.If it hadn´t been for the storm, I would been home before eight.

1. Fırtına olmasaydı saat sekiz olmadan( sekizden önce ?) evde olurdum. Doğru

2. The fund-raisers have not decided where to send the money.

2. Bağış toplayanlar paranın nereye yollanacağına karar vemediler.

3. I have been trying to get John on the phone for the past week.

    I think he must have gone abroud. Do you have any idea when he will be back?

3. Geçen haftadan beri John´a telefonla ulaşmaya çalışıyorum aramaya deniyorum.( Bu son hafta boyunca John´u telefonda ulaşmaya çalışıyorum.)

Yurdışına gitmiştir.( gitmiş olabilir) / Yurdışına gittiğini zannediyorum. Doğru 

Onun ne zaman geri döneceğin ile ilgili hiç bir fikrin var mı?   

Onun ne zaman geri dönmesi hakkında hiç fikrin var mı?

4.He must have been seriously ill if he neither came nor called.

4. Eğer o ne geldi ne de aradıysa,  o ağır  hasta olmalıydı.

5. Somebody who´s my enemy has told you all these lies, haven´t they?

5. Benim duşmanım olan biri bu  bütün yalanları sana söyledi, değil mi/ söylemediler mi?

6. There´s something wrong with him, isn´t there?

6. Onun bir şeyin var( Onda bir terslik var), değil mi?

7. I´m afraid you really have to go now, don´t you?

7. Sen gerçekten gitmelisin, değil mi?

7. Korkarım gerçekten gitmek zorundasın, değil mi? ( We generally don’t use korkarım etc hehe)

8. If John asks where I have gone, tell him I´ll be back as soon as I possibly can. He need not worry, it won´t be later than Wednesday.

8. John nereye gittiğimi sorarsa, ona ben birazdan   geri döneceğimi söyle(sene). O merak etmemeli (Onun merak etmesine gerek yok), Çarşamba´dan sonra olmayacak.önce döneceğim.

9. Martha is thinking of going on a trip to Italy next summer and is trying to persuade some of her friends to join her.

9. Martha gelecek yaz Italya´ya seyahate çıkmayı düşünüyor ve arkadaşlarından bazılarını, ona eşlik etmeleri (katılmaları) için ikna etmek deniyor.

10. Now I´m living on my own, I really miss having someone to chat to.

10 . Şimdi tek başına yaşıyorum, biriyle (bir kimseyle) sohbet etmeyi gerçekten özlüyorum. Doğru

                                             sohbet etmek için olan birisini  gerçekten özlüyorum.

11. Who has this poem been written by? It´s really good.

11. Bu şiir kimin tarafından yazıldı? Gerçekten güzel.

12. There is no doubt about the theft beeing committed by professional thieves.

12. Hırsılık profesyonel hısızlar tarafından yapıldı ,  bunun hakkında hiç bir şuphe yok.

12. Hırsızlığın  profesyonel   hırsızlar tarafından yapıldığına şüphe yok.

13. Mary was living in France when she met the man who later became her husband.

13. Mary , sonradan kocası olacak adamla tanıştığında Fransa´da yaşıyordu.

Maalesef Türkçe konuşamıyorum / bilmiyorum  ama seni çok özledim.

Üzgünüm Türkçe konuşamıyorum ama seni çok sözledim.

At first i have to say that i am not an expert on this issue, so please help me. I am just trying to get what it is.

As far as what i read, Ottoman Turkish or Lisan-ı Osmani is seperated into three parts. One of them is Fasih Türkçe, one is Orta Türkçe and the last one is Kaba Türkçe. Is there anyone who can give example texts  for them?

According to their explanations, i tried to match them with the texts i found in wikipedia. ( I know i always say wikipedia but if there is any source to read Ottoman Turkish texts in latin, please share).  

All of these three texts are from 18. century.

Fasih Türkçe (Eloquent Turkish):

"Amed-i medid ve ahd-i ba´iddir ki daniş-gâh-ı istifadede nihade-i zanu-yı taleb etmekle arzu-yı kesb-i edeb kılıp gerçi irre-i ahen-i berd-i gûşiş-i bî-müzd zerre-i fulad-ı fu´ad-ı infihamı hıred edemeyip şecere bî-semere-i isti´daddan yek-bar-ı imkân intişar-ı nüşare-i asar-ı hayr-ül me´ad as´ab-ı min-hart-ül katad olup ancak piş-nigâh-ı ihvan ve hullanda hem-ayar-ı nühas-ı hassas olan hey´et-i danişveriyi zaharif-i tafazzul ile temviye ve tezyin edip bezm-gâh-ı sühan-gûyanda iksar-ı sersere ile ser-halka-i ihvab-ı hava-ayin olmuş idim."

Orta Türkçe (Middle Turkish):

"Türkîde turunc dediğimiz mîveye Farisî´de narenc denir. Portakal derler, İstanbul´da şekerden leziz zuhur etmeye başladı. Hatta nev-zuhur Frenk hekimleri ´Asitane sahil-i bahr ve ahalisi et´ime-i mütenevvia ile aluf ve fesad-ı dem hasebiyle iskorpit illetine mübtelalardır. Elbet beher yevm bir dane portakal ekli lazımdır ve vacibdir.´ Maa-haza kendüleri illet-i müstekreh-i frengîden muallel olup bahusus oldukları arzda portakalı ancak kibarı görebildiğinden Asitane´de kesreti kendülerini hayran eylediğinden hezeyan-ı gûna-gûn ederler. Maa-haza alil-ül mizac olan ihvana muzır olmak melhuzdur."

Kaba Türkçe (Rough Turkish):

"Yezd ile Kerman arasında kum deryası dedikleri vardır ki inceliği ve beyazlığı saat kumu gibidir ve bir köyleri vardır ki yolcular konar. Damlara ve sokaklara bir adam nazar etse gûya kar yağmış sanır. Yol üzerinde bir buçuk, iki saat çekecek kadar yerde kule gibi miller yapılıdır ki karşına tutar da öyle gidersin. Eğer o milleri sağına veya soluna alır isen, yolu şaşırırsın ve birer ikişer minare derinliğinde kum ile dolmuş hendekler vardır ki hiç belli değil. Atın ayağı eğer oralara basacak olursa kurtulmak muhaldır. Çabalandıkça batar gider."

So if my examples are right, we are using Kaba Türkçe right now. How rough we are. And it is really weird why those three are so different eventhough they are from the same century.

It is weird. Okay it doesn´t work properly  but it works. 

Gökuyum thank you for that information. Could you please give us the  Turkish name of it?  And if you have a further information about that method, it would be appreciated.

Ulak merhaba,

1.How often does your gold fish beying feed?

1. Japon balığın ne kadar sıklıkla beslenmeli?

2.I am tired enough to sleep all night.

2.Ben bütün gece uyuyacak kadar yorgunum. Doğru

3.He´s too stupid to understand.

3. O, anlamayacak kadar aptaldır.

4. I have enough money to pay the bill.

4. Benim faturayı ödeyebilecek param var.

5. You are clever enough to solve that problem.

5. Sen, o sorunu çözecek kadar zekisin. Doğru

6.He bought the ticket for the concert after queuing for one hour.

6. Bir saat içinde  kuyrukta girdikten bekledikten sonra konser biletini satın aldı.

6. Konser biletini, bir saat kuyrukta bekledikten sonra aldı / alabildi.

7. The students pass their exams afterthey had studied hard for three months.

7. Öğrenciler, üç aylık yoğun bir çalışmanın ardından sınavı geçti.

8. I have a computer that can fit into my pocket.

8. Cebime uyabilen sığabilen bir bilgisayarım var.

9. They don´t seem to be able to come to a decision.

9. Onlar,   bir karar verebildiğini verebilecek gibi görünmüyor.

10. We can meet outside the cinema, if it´s ok with you.

10. Sana uyarsa, biz sinemanın dışında buluşabiliriz.

10. Senin için uygun olursa, sinemanın dışında buluşabiliriz.

11. When the new road is built , I will be able to drive to work in less than an hour.

11. Yeni yol kurulunca ( kurulduğunda),  yapılınca / bitince, arabayla işe bir saatten daha az bir sürede gidebileceğim.

12. The teacher asked me the time.

12. Öğretmen saat kaç olduğunu bana saatin kaç olduğunu sordu.

13. My classmate wondered how long I had been learning English.

13. Sınıf arkadaşım benim ne kadar uzun zamandır Ingilizce öğrendiğimi bana sordu.

14. Mother inquired if the door was open.

14 Annem kapının açık olup olmadığını sordu. Doğru

15. They warned him he would have to leave earlier.

15. Onlar, onu daha erken gitmesi gerektiği konusunda uyardılar.

16. My friend promised to come and see me  if he could.

16. Arkadaşım ,   ona mümkünse olursa / imkanı olursa (bana) gelip beni görmeye( göreceğine) söz verdi.

17. Father said he might phone me from the airport if he had time.

17 Babam , vakti olursa ( vaktin varsa)  havaalanından beni arayabileceğini söyledi.

18 She never thought that one day she would appear in films instead of watching them.

18 Filmleri seyredeceğine seyretmek yerine, bir gün onlarda oynayacağını hiç düşünmedi.

Merhaba Ulak,

1.Lisa warned Roger not to drive so fast.

1. Lisa Roger´a bu kadar hızlı (süratli) sürmemesini tembih etti.

1. Lisa Roger’ı, çok hızlı sürmemesi konusunda uyardı.

2. You and me are much alike. 

2. Sen ve ben bir gibiyiz (aynıyız).

3. He was reported to have been seen in London.

3. Onun Londra´da  görülmüş olduğu bildirildi.

3.Onun  Londra’da görüldüğü bildirildi.

4. It´s difficult to control your anxiety when your children are home late. 

4. Çocuklarınız eve geç kaldığında , endişenizi idare etmek (endişenize hakim olmak) zordur.

5.Her sudden appearance surprised me. 

5. Onun aniden görünmesi (ortaya çıkması) beni şaşırttı.

6.No sooner had I got near the phone, than it sopped ringing. 

6. Telefonun yanına vardığım zaman( an) , o çalmayı durdurdu. 

7. She wishes she had gone to bed early last night.

7. O, keşke dün gece daha erken uyusaydım diye düşündü. (not word for word translation)

8.If Helen hadn´t had  the map of the town , she would got lost.

8. Helen´de şehrin haritası olmasaydı, kendisi kaybolmuş olurdu.

8. Helen’de şehrin haritası olmasaydı kaybolurdu.

9. By the time I realised what was happening, the man had left with my money. 

9. Ben neyin olduğunu anlayıncaya kadar , adam paramla gitmiş oldu / gitti.

                              anladığımda kadar/ anlayana kadar......this can be used

   Adam  paramla ayrılmıştı zaten ta ki ben neyin olduğunu anlayana kadar.  (Ben ne olduğunu anlayana kadar, adam paramı alıp gitmişti) 

10. The man left with my money before I realised what was happening.

10. Ben neyin olduğunu anlamadan önce, adam paramla  ayrıldı.

10. Ben ne olduğunu anlamadan, adam paramla ayrıldı. / paramı alıp gitti.

11. What annoyed me was his refusal to listen to us.

11. Beni kızdıran şey onun bizi dinlemeyi reddetmesiydi.

12. What would you have done if the police had realised you had given them false information? I would have just said I had been mistaken.

12. Eğer polis onlara yanlış bilgi verdiğini farketseydi, ne yapacaktın?

     Hata yaptığımı söyleyecektim.

Ve Ben dur bakalim nerde duracagiz diye sana o parayi vermedin

And i didn´t give you that money to see when we will stop.

This is my try nemanjasrb. But be aware that it is not a word for word translation.

O, çocuğun karşısında durdu ve ikisi birbirine dikkatle baktı. Köpek bir an duraksadı ama az sonra  kuyruğunu yavaşça salladı. Çocuk ellerini (cebinden) çıkardı ve köpeği çağırdı. Köpek, mahçup bir hâlde yaklaştı.

I barely understand his Turkish.

Evet sana 1500€ borcum var bu bir ayiptir benim icin.Ama Ben bu ayibi senin nasil bir reaktion ve tepki ve 8 yillik iyi veya kotu yasanmislik paylasmislk duygu sevgi kavga aglama gulme her seyi oyle bir attinki.Ve Ben dur bakalim nerde duracagiz diye sana o parayi vermedin

I think he didn´t give you the money because you erased everything what you lived with him for 8 years.  So he was trying to understand when your reaction will come to an end.

Exactly

Do british people understand when they read William Shakespeare? I am just curious.

Göküyüm you may be right but i don´t think that they cut our relationship with that literature. Because if you want to cut something it should be already tied. Ordinary people never understand what they wrote. I don´t believe it. I assume you are  talking about fasih turkish (ottoman fasih) , as you said, just a few could understand it. And today, few amount of people still can understand it. ( I think one of them is you) Nothing  changed. This was something to teach before purification and it is still something to be taught.

I agree your point that people think Ottoman was a very strict empire. And i agree that they wrote on every kind of things and sometimes they were more open then we are today. They even wrote books about sex which is really normal. I agree they were humanist. I think the problem is mainly what we don´t do. Our experts don´t work on every subject, they are focused on main things (by the way i know our experts are not much and being an expert isn´t something charming). People don´t care much about the history. They accept what they thought. Eventhough the ones who deeply love Ottomans, don´t bother themselves to read or study. We love speaking, claiming, insisting and assuming. Maybe good, maybe not. But this is what we are. If a person curious about something, nothing can prevent him.

I have been living in Türkiye for 27 years and i can say celebrations are really limited here as it should be. Our christians celebrate it for sure. Yes some people use trees but it is not for chirstmas but to celebrate new year.

Merry Chirstmas for the ones who celebrate

What i sent was not only writing system reforms ikicihan.  You may read it again. 

Czech (19th century) — The dictionary of Josef Jungmann contributed to the renewal of the vocabulary.

    Estonian (1910s/1920s) — reform movement led by Johannes Aavik and Johannes V. Veski renewed the vocabulary, borrowing a lot of roots from Finnish and other Uralic languages and even inventing some roots.
    Hebrew (1920s) — Modern Hebrew was created from Ancient Hebrew by simplification of the grammar (especially of the syntax) according to Indo-European models, coinage of new words from Hebrew roots based on European models, and simplification of pronunciation rules.

Hungarian (late 18th and early 19th centuries) — more than ten thousand words were coined,[3] out of which several thousand are still actively used today (see also Ferenc Kazinczy).

    Romanian (19th century) — replaced Cyrillic script with the Latin alphabet, deprecated hundreds of Slavic words in favour of Romance ones. Romanian has undergone spelling reforms in 1904, 1953, and, most recently, in 1993, with two minor ones in 1964 and 2005.

Somali (1970s) — modified Latin script developed by Somali linguist Shire Jama Ahmed for writing the Somali language; made compulsory in 1972 by the President of Somalia, General Mohamed Siad Barre. Also the vocabulary was renewed, a lot of new words became coined from existing Somali roots.

According to wikipedia:

Examples of language reforms areas given below.

    Chinese
        (1920s) — replaced Classical Chinese with Vernacular Chinese as the standard written language.
        Mandarin was chosen at a committee from several Chinese dialects.
        (1950s PRC) — reformed the script used to write the standard language by introducing Simplified Chinese characters (later adopted by Singapore and Malaysia, but Traditional Chinese characters remain in use in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, and various overseas Chinese communities).
    Czech (19th century) — The dictionary of Josef Jungmann contributed to the renewal of the vocabulary. In the 1840s the letter w became replaced by v.
    Estonian (1910s/1920s) — reform movement led by Johannes Aavik and Johannes V. Veski renewed the vocabulary, borrowing a lot of roots from Finnish and other Uralic languages and even inventing some roots.
    German (1901/02) — unified the spelling system nationwide (first in Germany, with later adoption by other Germanophone countries). Further reforms were enacted more recently, in the German spelling reform of 1996.
    Greek (1970s/1980s) — while the written "pure" language, the katharevusa was full of Old Greek words, the spoken "popular" language, the dhimotiki was not. After the fall of the military rule, a law was promulgated, making the latter become the written language as well. For example, on Greek coins, the plural of the currency was drachmai (katharevusa form) before and became drachmes (dhimotiki form) after 1982.
    Hebrew (1920s) — Modern Hebrew was created from Ancient Hebrew by simplification of the grammar (especially of the syntax) according to Indo-European models, coinage of new words from Hebrew roots based on European models, and simplification of pronunciation rules. Linguist Ghil´ad Zuckermann argues that Modern Hebrew, which he terms "Israeli", is a Semito-European hybrid, based not only on Hebrew but also on Yiddish and other languages spoken by revivalists.[1] Zuckermann therefore endorses the translation of the Hebrew Bible into what he calls "Israeli".[2]
    Hungarian (late 18th and early 19th centuries) — more than ten thousand words were coined,[3] out of which several thousand are still actively used today (see also Ferenc Kazinczy).
    Irish (1940s) — spelling system greatly simplified: Gaedheal became Gael, and Ó Séigheadh became Ó Sé.
    Japanese (1946) — historical kana usage was replaced by modern kana usage, while the kanji system also transformed from Traditional Chinese characters to New Characters.
    Norwegian (20th century) — as Norway became independent from Denmark (1814), Norwegian started to drift away from Danish. The reforms in 1907 and 1917 made Riksmål the written standard Norwegian, renamed Bokmål in 1929. Bokmål and the more vernacular Nynorsk were made closer by a reform in 1938. Today both language forms are spoken: on Norwegian coins, the name of the country is alternately Norge (Bokmål) and Noreg (Nynorsk).
    Portuguese (20th century) — replaced a cumbersome traditional spelling system with a simplified one (asthma, for instance, became asma and phthysica became tísica).
    Romanian (19th century) — replaced Cyrillic script with the Latin alphabet, deprecated hundreds of Slavic words in favour of Romance ones. Romanian has undergone spelling reforms in 1904, 1953, and, most recently, in 1993, with two minor ones in 1964 and 2005.
    Somali (1970s) — modified Latin script developed by Somali linguist Shire Jama Ahmed for writing the Somali language; made compulsory in 1972 by the President of Somalia, General Mohamed Siad Barre. Also the vocabulary was renewed, a lot of new words became coined from existing Somali roots.
    Turkish (1930s) — language and writing system were reformed starting in the 1920s, to the point that the older language is called by a different name, Ottoman Turkish. The Ottoman alphabet was based on the Arabic alphabet, which was replaced in 1928 by the new, Latin-based Turkish alphabet. Loanwords of Persian and Arabic origin were dropped in favor of native Turkish words or new coinages based on Turkic roots.
    Vietnamese (20th century) — Classical Chinese lost official status in 1918, and the colonial schools instituted a "Franco-Vietnamese Curriculum" at this time. Vietnamese was taught using the Latin alphabet, and this form soon became dominent.

Saz : All kind of musical instruments

Saz (musical instrument), a family of Iranian and Turkish stringed musical instruments (Wikipedia)

Bağlama : An instrument which has three bifilar. The one in the picture.

So it is bağlama which is under the saz family.  As far as  i know it has more than 6-7 varieties. But i don´t know which one it is.  I have no idea about it is origin.

Probably there is an expert who can help you on this. 

We should also ask ourselves, why we gave up using "söz" which we had been using for centuries, and started to use "kelime".

In my opinion, loan words are something irresistable for a language. For sure it is true if the language is not spoken by a  community who has no connection with the other people. Eventhough it is natural, it should have limits. That´s why it should be under control of the language planners. Unfortunately,  i think TDK´s reaction for new words are really slow.

On the other hand, i don´t understand how come the words are described and insulted as "made up". All words are made up. Just most of them are based on the previous made up words and made up suffixes(or the rules depending on the language we talk about).

A language can be saved as long as  it´s grammatical rules are preserved. If a word will be borrowed from another language, it should be adapted to the grammatical rules of the language. I think that´s the main and first point that we should care about.

Turkish is a rich language with it´s all dialects and it has powerful abilities to derive new words. If we have this chance, why shouldn´t we use it? ( I know there is no one who is against what i am talking about. )

I agree that it is an endless discussion. And discussion is a good thing if we can succeed not to do it to get the edge over someone but to reach the common sense.

Long live on every languages of the world.

hmmmm hummm hemmmm hommm hümmmm

rüyaydı : rüya + idi  : rüya+y+dı : was a dream

The one except you was a dream for me.

I think he used the word here as it was impossible for him to think that he loves someone except you.

dilerim ki    değmiştir

Unfortunately there is no seat it is just a satelite not a space craft

sounds logical

Doğru.

"Beni arkadaşın olarak kabul eder misin?" dersen de olur.

elimden geleni yaptım

Kimseyi kırmamak için kapalı kalmayı tercih ettiğim zamanlar dışında, bugüne kadar hep açık bir insan olarak yaşadım.

I have always been living as an open person except of those times that i preffered to stay covered ( a person who is not open to the other people) in order not to break anyone´s heart.

Wow , it was really hard to transform it  into a proper Turkish sentence and it was also hard to translate. And i agree that it is not a  perfect translation.

 If only it could be undotted letters.

I don´t like Turkish but love it.

I saw the documantery about this guy. It is really interesting. It seems the ones who say we use just a little part of our brain, are right. 

 Hi Milestraveler,

Yes, it could be great if the ones who speak German would like to learn Turkish. I need to practise German too but...

Deutsch ist wirklich schwer zu lernen aber einfach zu vergessen.

 +1

You could be more polite. Please choose your words carefully. We are not close that you can talk to me in this way.   

There is no big difference. It is one of the most closest turkish accents for Turkey Turkish. For sure there are some different words, but  it is not a big deal.

For example;

Alpha it seems you were unable to stop yourself whilst you were translating or correcting user requests.  

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The poem which is recited in the song  is great, isn´t it?

Getmək istəyirsən,bəhanəsiz get,
Oyatma mürgülü xatirələri.
Səsin həmin səsdir, baxışın ögey,
Gedirsən, səsin də yad olsun bari...

Sən dəniz qoynuna tullanmış çiçək,
Üstünə dalğalar atılacaqdır.
Saxta məhəbbətin saxta sənədtək
Nə vaxtsa üstündə tutulacaqdır.

Döşənib yollar tək ayaqlarına
Sənə yalvarımmı...bu mümkün deyil!
Qoymaram qəlbimtək vüqarım sına
Alçalıb yaşamaq ömür-gün deyil.

Demirəm sən uca bir dağsan,əyil,
Demirəm qalıbdır əlacım sənə.
Nə səndə məhəbbət qara pul deyil,
Nə mən dilənçiyəm əl açım sənə...

Getmək istəyirsən...
O yol, o da sən...
Bir cüt göz baxacaq arxanca sənin.
Getdinmi...
Nə vaxtsa dönmək istəsən
Tikanlı yastığa dönəcək yerin.

Getmək istəyirsən...
Nə danış, nə din!
Yox ol uzaqlartək dumanda, çəndə...
Nəyimi sevmişdin?
Deyə bilmədin,

Indisə yüz eyib görürsən məndə.
Getmək istəyirsən,
Bəhanəsiz get,
Oyatma mürgülü xatirələri.
Səsin həmin səsdir,
Baxışın ögey,
Gedirsən,
səsin də yad olsun bari..

 You should book your next flight to Şirince one way hehe

???

Just listen it. One of my best Azerbaijan song which was performed by an Anatolian singer, Leman Sam. She is great, so is the song and the poem.

Şarkı , türkü, mahnı nə deyirsizse
Şarkıcı, türküçü, müğənni yenə nə deyirsizse

BUDUR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfexze-kNKI

 It is a mosque Alpha. It is the Islamic Centre as "trip" wrote in her previous posts.

 fotomondaj => fotomontaj = photomontage 

Bardağım doluysa mutluyum, boşsa mutsuzum.

Bardağım dolu olduğunda mutluyum. Boş olduğunda mutsuzum.

Both works though

As a muslim, i am happy in Türkiye.

The main idea of the text is muslims should develope their life standarts and it is acceptable. I agree, every muslim should work for it individually and  together.

But i think the text has much more meaning than it should have had. I dont like the people who look down on someone and this text´s aim is that.

So if the main idea and aim would be the same, i would like it.

Tomurcuk is what my grandmother used to drink. So it reminds me my childhood. And it was a great pleasure for me to get it´s empty metal box and play with it. But since in my childhood everything was precious, even an empty metal box, it was really hard to get one from her kitchen.

Send me someee i love it

I like Doğuş Black Label and Çaykur Tiryaki Çayı.  Tomurcuk is also good.

And please note that Turkish tea is the only tea that snow falls on it in the world. That means they don´t need to use pesticide.

Doğru.

It is one of the most used suffix i think.(-dığı / -diği / -duğu etc )

Olduğunu means "that is"

Senin güzel olduğunu biliyorum. --> I know that you are beautiful.

Bu kalemin senin olduğunu bilmiyordum. --> I didnt know that this pencil was yours.

Bildiğini biliyorum. --> I know that you know.

Geldiğini duymadım --> I didnt hear that you come.

Dediğini duymadım. --> I didnt hear what you said.

Yaptığını beğendin mi? --> Do you like what you have done?

What a powerful meal

Şırdan is made neither with penis nor intestine.   It is made with abomasum which is one of the 4 compartments  of the sheep stomach.

rumen  (işkembe),

reticulum (börkenek),

omasum (kırkbayır), 

abomasum (şırdan, şirden)

And in Turkish, this part is named Şırdan. The meal which is cooked with this part is named with the same name.

It is just an accent. If you dont speak İstanbul Turkish but an accent, using sormak is true. So in his accent, it is right.

 Sormak :

TDK

sormak / somurmak /

Alpha is right   but sormak is used generally middle part of  Anatolia i think.

I´ve laughed alot thank you for that

I think teşekkürler is the direct translation of thanks and broken form of teşekkür ederim.

You should use teşekkür ederim.

Cumhuriyet bayramımız kutlu olsun.

Money, money, money
Must be funny
In the rich man´s world
Money, money, money
Always sunny
In the rich man´s world
Aha-ahaaa
All the things I could do
If I had a little money
It´s a rich man´s world

 

Yes, that´s right.

Hmm yes would be good if someone could cook for me too.

 heheh dramatically right. But i think AlphaF supposed, God would want that. And according to what i believe and what i know from the book that was sent by Allah, i agree with AlphaF.

Yemek yemeden gelin : come without eating

So you are right, it actually means come hungry it means the one who told you that is prepared something for you to eat (at least i hope so hehe )

Right but then it should be

 Neyden korkuyorsun? 

Korkuyor musun? Are you scared?

Neden korkuyorsun? Why are you scared?

 Hmmm for me ;

1- Uzun zamandır onu görmüyordum --> I saw the person whom i had not been seeing for a long time.  (Onu uzun zamandır görmüyordum would be a proper sentence)

2-  Uzun zamandır onu görmüyorum --> I still dont see him. I have not been seeing him for a long time.   ( Onu uzun zamandır görmüyorum)

3-  Uzun zamandır onu görmedim ?  -->  I still dont see him. I have not been seeing him for a long time. (Onu uzun zamandır görmedim)

First sentence is clear though. For 2 and 3, i dont see a big difference in the meaning. But i would prefer using 2nd sentence instead of 3rd.

Because if we make the sentences positive;

Onu uzun zamandır görüyorum. ( I have been seeing him for a long time)

Onu uzun zamandır gördüm.  ( No meaning) (But it still doesnt mean the negative form of the sentence is incorrect.)

Maybe there can be others who can see i dont see. We will wait and see.

Are you sure , the one who wrote that sentences to you, knows Turkish?

Ah ah those people who doesnt obey Turkish rules.

Cesaretsizliğim susuşundandır. Kalbim, bir kelimeye bir destan (ile karşılık) verecek kadar derin(dir).

My discouragement  is due to your silence.  My heart is as deep as answering a word with an epic.

How could you succeed that in English? 

... greater? i didnt use that word. I said Arabic is a great language which means Arabic is a great language. Eskimo language can also be great. I didnt compare.

Arabic is a great language. I wonder i could learn. Maybe one day inshallah.

I have searched a little bit about this issue and according to what i have found from various sources, the situation is like that;

It doesnt matter if we take the word as ben or men, when we add the suffix -a/-e which is originally -ga / -ge, the n letter of men/ben and the g letter of -ga/-ge are combined and become nasal n (ñ . (In my accent we still say baña and saña instead of bana /sana)

ben+ge -- benge -- beñe  -- baña

men+ge  -- menge - meñe -- maña

This ñ converts the soft vowels to hard vowels. (e to a)  I tried to say beñe and baña , señe and saña, it is more easier to say baña and saña instead of beñe and señe.

"" A different example from a site  tengri converted to tanrı.  ""

Allah rahmet eylesin.

İnna lillahi ve inna ileyhi raciun.

It is really good to read such a post. Thank you for it.

After you mentioned the authentic form of ben bana / men mene thing, i have checked 18 dialects and as you see in the table given below, out of 18 dialects, just 4 dialects use -e and 14 dialects use -a suffix. I think  this is because the suffix we use.(-e / -a)  What do you think about it?

It is really good to read such a post. Thank you for it.

After you mentioned the authentic form of ben bana / men mene thing, i have checked 18 dialects and as you see in the table given below, out of 18 dialects, just 4 dialects use -e and 14 dialects use -a suffix. I think  this is because the suffix we use.(-e / -a)  What do you think about it?

Then you will make a language soup.

By the way thank you for correcting my misspell. It seems you do care the grammatical rules of english. Anyways after greish and spanglish ( a new soup against esperanto )  are combined, we wont have to care about these kind of bothersome things.

By the way the problem is not that we dont understand each other because of the languages but we dont want to understand each other.

Yes i know that.

I agree with you, there can be a cooperation between two nations. And we can save our cultural values as we could reach the values under the Aegean Sea.

Definitely  

Sorry but this will never happen How come greek and turkish languages will combine together? And why dont we save these two precious languages as they are?

I think you have problem with choosing words.

Çocuklar bahçede oynuyorlar. I think there is a spelling error in your book.

 oyunmak and oyanmak are not proper verbs. (oyanmaq means to wake up in Azerbaijan Turkish, in Turkey Turkish is uyanmak)

 I think the verb you are trying to find is "oynamak"

oynamak : to play

oyun oynamak : to play a game

 As far as i know, medicine and  law have their own loan words which can not be understood by the population. And also most professionals use loanwords not to be professional but to be seen professional.

I agree with you Alpha. But i think you got me wrong. Who ignored self culture and language are the ones who wrote poems which can not be understood by the their grandchildren right now.

For example this poem was written in 1900s and i am sure just a very few part of population can get what it means. And it is not our fault but his.

And i am sorry if it is Turkish, i dont know Turkish.

                     "Ey cism-i latif hâba râm ol;
                     Âsûde-i zulmet-i garâm ol;
                     Rûhun gibi mâil-i hırâm ol;
                        Zîb-âver-i menzil-i merâm ol." 

And this is a poem from 1200s written by the great poet Yunus Emre. And i am sure all can understand it since it is Turkish.

Ne varlığa sevinirim,

Ne yokluğa yerinirim,

Aşkın ile avunurum,

Bana seni gerek seni.

I think, the main part of a language is the structure. If a language save it is own grammatical rules, borrowing words from any other language is not that much important. I am not against borrowing the words. I am against using foreign alternative of the words if there is already a Turkic origin one. And the words which are borrowed from any other language should go along with Turkish grammatical rules.  Unfortunately Turkish people have always been using foreign words to show themselves cultured, highly educated, noble, linguist etc. 

Although Turkish has advanced rules and capabilities to derive new words, some researchers say much more capable than German, we dont have enough brilliant linguists who should work for this and derived words are named as "made up" words by our noble, known-all, smart ass people. (Unfortunately our biggest problem is that everyone knows everything. And people speak about each topic as they were  expert on it.)

Thanks to God we are saved by the structural problems eventhough we still have some little issues such as saying or writing  Süleymaniye Camii instead of Süleymaniye Camisi. But these little wounds will be fine in a natural progress.

I dont agree with Gokuyum about the bad effects totally but partially. Eventhough there are some problems  i am still supporting to give up borrowed words and replace them with Turkic origin ones if we can. For example we had 3 words for "night" as gece, şeb and leyl. All were used. One is Turkic, one is Persian and one is Arabic. The word gece is being used for centuries and then we borrowed the other two? For what? So i am supporting not to use the other two. But for instance "nekahet"  should not be deleted from the language. It is an arabic origin word and we have been using it for roughly 400 years. And there is no exact word to be used instead of it. For me if a word is widely accepted, used and understood by the community and if the word follows the pattern of Turkish grammatical rules, it is Turkish. (I agree with Gokuyum here)

And for me it  doesn´t cut our all ties with 600 years Ottoman literature but just a period since Ottoman literature should be seperated into ages. And yes i agree that we understand nothing but some words  when we read a poem but i dont think so it is our fault. It is the natural result of  ignoring self culture and language.  And i dont think so insisting on a fault is a good idea.  

I hope we will have  a good and effective organization to derive new words or better to say our institution that is responsible of Turkish language will work properly. And i hope our people will understand the importance of their own language.  The smart ass? No hope for them.

All languages are special and i hope English wont eat em all

Actually smarter, which means more smart, is not a bad word. They were smart and now smarter.  

Turkish Tea : Türk Çayı

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJkzwlNogc8

Are they forbidden ? But why? It doesnt make any sense and actually comic.

That´s right. And there are almost 2000 words that have Turkic origin in Arabic language. It would be more if we get into the dialects. But i dont think all are used in both side. Especially in Turkish, those words are like old words and rarely used. New generation generally doesnt know their meanings. But the ones who are more than 20 know the meaning but they dont use. The ones who are more than 60 use them

And Turkish is hard to learn but Arabic is harder. If you are from Egypt you are luckier cos your dialect has more Turkic origin words than the others.

Goodluck.

Yes you should better learn but it doesnt make sense for Turkish mothers.

hmm rakhmet

Özim jakhsı, öziñiz qalay?

 Zhok ( Jok) men Uyghur emes, men Türkiyelik Türkmin. Uygur tilin üyrenip zhürmin (jürmin). ( ???)